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« on: March 05, 2009, 10:37:35 AM »

Just finished reading up on the FAQ on the DFG website, for anyone that wants to see its at:

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/southcoastnews.asp

So the March 3d and 4th meetings are done now....when do we hear the bad news?   According to the FAQ the past two days were round 1, we still have round 2, and hopefully not a knockdown, down for the count in round 3.  Or PAL/Mugu, am I worrying too early?
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2009, 01:24:56 PM »

Paul here, fresh from this week's big MLPA meetings. The first round is in the can and off to the Science Advisory Team for scoring. While we won't have the results for weeks and weeks, maps of these first draft arrays should hit the net in roughly a week - probably around March 12 or 13.

So here's where we stand as I see it. We have three external proposals, two fishing-friendly and one decidedly not so. Of the internal proposals, each workgroup produced one fishing-friendly proposal and one on the other side. None of the proposals is remotely close to finalized. They will likely change drastically once the SAT issues its grades.

The ideas and concepts in the external proposals won't go far unless they are adopted by the RSG work teams, which has happened for the most part. Until the internal proposals finally go public, you can get a good idea of what the internal networks look like by glancing through the externals, although there are MANY small and not so small differences from map to map.

The fishing-friendly proposals include MPAs at Coal Oil Pt, Santa Barbara; Sycamore Canyon / Pt Mugu; Malibu east of the pier; the southern side of Palos Verdes; a swath off Laguna in Orange County roughly between Newport and Dana; and a large MPA off Del Mar. Catalina included the Farnsworth Bank. Also, the military is closing most of the northern side of San Nicolas Island and two areas off the north end of San Clemente.

Generally speaking, the preservationist proposals include large MPAs at Naples Reef; Coal Oil Pt; Sycamore / Mugu Pt; Malibu including Pt Dume and BKR; the northern and western sides of Palos Verdes; most of the coast between Newport and Dana; the Cardiff area in northern San Diego County; all of La Jolla; parts of Pt Loma; south San Diego bay; and large areas of Catalina and the southern islands. 

External Proposals:

Fishing Information Network -
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n4ii.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n7.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n4iii.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n4i.pdf

Santa Barbara Channelkeeper, Santa Monica Baykeeper -
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n6ii.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n6i.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n6iii.pdf

United Anglers of Southern California also issued an external proposal which is outwardly similar to the FIN plan except for catch and release and slot limits. The latter didn't make it into any of the internal proposals as far as I know. They will be assessed by the SAT, which means if they score well, they could be adopted internally.

United Anglers of Southern California -
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n5ii.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n8.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n5i.pdf
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/pdfs/agenda_030309n5iii.pdf

Thanks to MJ for digging up these links.
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2009, 02:30:48 PM »

Important upcoming meeting dates (thanks MJ!). Look for more info in the next week or so. Its time to speak your piece.

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The most important dates to mark on your calendar are: June 29 & 30 and July 1, 7, 8 & 9, 2009
These days are Public workshops regarding draft marine protected area proposals. The workshops will be up and down the coast so one will be local to you.

Perhaps the most important dates of all come in October as you can
see below what they will be doing on Dec. 10th.
The Blue Ribbon Task Force
October 20-22, 2009
October 20: 1:30-5:30 p.m.
October 21: 8:30 a.m. – 5:30 p.m.
October 22: 8:30 a.m. – 3:00 p.m.


December 10, 2009
Joint meeting with California Fish and Game Commission
Deliver south coast marine protected area recommendations
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2009, 03:47:17 PM »

Am I reading correctly that a State Marine Park is basically very friendly to the kayakfishermen?  Do they exclude power boats? 

Wondering if you could expand on the concepts of the State Marine Park, and State Marine Conservation Areas?
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2009, 04:39:59 PM »

For simplicity's sake, let's start with State Marine Reserves, which you did not ask about but will be the backbone of the MLPA networks. No take of any natural resources.

A State Marine Park prohibits commercial fishing. Like reserves, they are not no-motor zones, although the department has the authority to limit access and other non-consumptive activities. They need a good reason to do so. Most typically, they might want to protect a bird nesting area from disturbance. Those are usually conducted under the authority of a special closure, not an MPA.

Back to the park idea, as far as fishing goes, the designation has a lot of flexibility. It could run from all recreational fishing is ok down to almost none.

A State Marine Conservation Area is just as flexible, but does not prohibit commercial fishing unless explicitly stated. They can be nearly as restrictive as reserves, such as in an SMCA that allows hand harvest of kelp only. In MLPA terms, they've been used to allow fishing for species that don't benefit from reserves - pelagics such as salmon and yellowtail. Here in SoCal, we're likely to see them used in water deeper than 30 meters.

SMPs come with jurisdictional red tape that I don't understand fully. They should be placed adjacent to a state park. The park service apparently  has the ability to change the regulations if they choose.

Please forgive the long answer. If it wasn't long enough, I'll give it another shot.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2009, 07:27:43 PM »

the longer the better!  Thanks again.  It sounds like it leaves alot of room for interpretation along the way. 
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