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« on: September 22, 2009, 02:37:04 AM »

This was a disappointing trip, but I will post it anyway.  Maybe someone can give me advice, or learn from it.  A day and one half on the Rogue River estuary trolling, led to one salmon briefly on the line, probably not really hooked right.  I saw a lot of fish caught, mostly chinook in the 10-40 lb range. 
--first mistake, I didn't have anything to keep the anchovies cold.  They decay really fast, and I probably spent some time fishing with bait that was too old to be interesting.  Back home after the trip, I found the solution--a wide mouth drink and soup plastic thermos with a loop to tie it down--but that was back home.  Last trip, I saw some live anchovies  or something similar around the dock at Dot's but nothing big enough to use this trip. 
--keeping the rod where you can get it quickly for a strike is a problem.  Best solution if you troll a lot is probably to get a Hobie, but barring that, putting the rod in a gimbal right in front of me and resting it against my shoulder seemed to work best.  I need some sort of side to side bungee setup to stabilize the gimbal and keep the rod from sliding off my shoulder.   Also, you need to know the drag well enough to keep it loose while trolling, then tighten it to bring the fish in, but not too much.
--I tried to get by with a really old Shakespeare reel.  I had to bybass the level wind because it wasn't working.  This made it hard to judge the amount of line out.  (Standard practice is five times across the level wind.)  And it also led to problems with the line piling up on one side or the other.  For the next trip, I have a new Penn which I resolve to lubricate faithfully. 
--A lot of fishermen pointedly asked me how I would ever land a fish in the boat.  Standard practice is a large net with an 8 foot handle, and I watched several fish being lost at the boat even with this.  This size net is out of the question on a kayak.  My two options were a large game bag (probably useless for anything but a jack)  and a gaff with a two foot handle.  I think it is legal to gaff if you are sure it is a chinook.  I may get a gaff with a longer handle for next trip, or bring my short-handled 24 inch net.  Are there any successful chinook salmon fishermen out there that can give advice on landing technique?
Good news is that the paddling was doable.  I stayed out seven hours one day, and I'm in lousy shape.  The trolling speed for chinook is so slow that I could easily keep up with most of the power boats.  Only problem is, you shouldn't go past the sand bar when the tide is running out.  I had I hell of a time getting in from there.  But upstream, I could paddle against the tide and current. 

After a couple of days, my wife was tired of our very convenient but not very pretty RV site, and wanted a change of scenery, so we moved to Sunset Bay state Park, near Coos Bay.  This looked great.  I was sure there would be lots of lings there, but the swell and wind made it very difficult to fish.  I was out about 5 hours the first day, fishing between 40 and 70 feet, for nothing.  Didn't even see fish on the screen.  Couldn't go too far out because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get back against the wind. 
Second day was so bad that I just fished inside the bay at less than 25 feet, for nothing.  The rocks are sandstone there, so the fish holding areas may be completely different from what I've seen before.  Maybe I should have taken Spike's advice and caught a half day boat out of Coos Bay to learn the local techniques.  This is a nice protected area to launch, even on relatively bad days.  The campground is a long carry, but not too long with wheels, from the beach. 

Before the Rogue River, we had spent three days at Shelter Cove.  Rock Fishing is closed there unless you can get 15 miles north of town.  Talked to another guy who did that--two hour drive-- and got some really nice lings, but my old RV wasn't up to that, so I tried for halibut with no success.  Greenlings were biting on my sabiki bait rod, and I caught one from shore, which was legal.  Got enough abs to get tired of them. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2009, 11:15:33 AM »

You are right about fresh bait Shasta.  I'd switch over to thin wire circle hooks for a solid hookset making landing a better bet.  I believe it is illegal to gaff any salmon, I could be wrong.
Great report, thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2009, 12:54:21 PM »

re gaffing, you are right, in California, if a salt water estuary is considered a river.  I couldn't find anything in the Oregon regs. 

"Question:
We mainly fish near shore in the North-Central designated waters, but also fish in the San Francisco Bay and Delta areas. Can you please let me know when, where and under what circumstances a gaff can and cannot be used to boat our fish? Thank you. (Mike S.)

Answer:
Gaff hooks cannot be used in the landing of any finfish shorter than their minimum size limit (Section 28.65 [d]). Remember that you’re required to have a landing net aboard when fishing from a boat or other floating device to assist in landing any fish that may be smaller than the minimum size limit for that species. These nets must be on the boat or immediately available and have an opening size of not less than 18 inches in diameter.

In inland waters you may not use or even possess a gaff while on the water or within 100 yards of any river, stream, lake or reservoir (Section 2.09), except under certain conditions on the Sacramento River (see Section 2.06).

(For the purpose of this section, a gaff hook is defined as any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth.)"

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